jsut constantly messing around with the computers and bringing a thirid pc into the mix i got the spare computer with the ecs mobo to read the monitor again, although its having a hard time booting up, i think this old wd 20g has about had it. using restore disk on it now just to see if that works. i think somehow i possibly reset bios by manually having to shut it down cuz i had no monitor. my orginal computer still doesn't see the monitor. so either my agp port is bad, mobo is bad, or card. although the vid card did work in other machine. if any one has any suggestions i could try before going out and buying a new mobo and vid card plz reply here or send me a email i_maddog78 at yahoo dot com.