i cant play online with 2 xbox 360 why? Solved/Closed

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Hello,
i bough a xbox 360 about 2 years ago

then my cousin bough 1 too

we were about to play with our friends and we cant

well I can but on his xbox says that the connection too the host as ended

and if he enters the game first I cant enter and the same warning happens again?
is it beacouse were using the same internet?

please I need some help :/

thanks for watching

who8myrice · Accepted Answer

This is to anyone who wants to connect two Xbox 360s on one network and have them both on xbox live playing at the same time. And sorry if someone else has posted this elsewhere and this is a repost.

First. Get a good router, perferably linksys since I did this with one.

When you have the router get into the interface of it, ie log on with the ip address (192.168.1.1-- might vary but should be mentioned in the manuel.)

You are going to want to enable the UPnP setting and just to help out, open the port numbers for the xbox, they can be found online with google.

Then comes the fun part. You need to find out the ip address of the 360s, you actually only need one but it's nice to know both just in case.

At this point you need to enable the DMZ feature in the router. It will ask for an IP Address at which just enter one of the Xbox 360. 

Save your settings and you should be good to go.

The reason both 360s wont work, or work a short time, is that the router handling the packets doesn't know which 360 to forward them to so comes the problem with it.

By enabling the DMZ you are basically putting one 360 outside your nat network and the router can send the packets to each 360 without any problem.

By the way, lag shouldnt be any problem if you have a decent internet connection.

Enjoy

EDIT: Port triggering does work :

the triggering range is 52-54 forward port 53 
the triggering range is 79-81 forward port 80 
the triggering range is 87-89 forward port 88 
the triggering range is 3073-3075 forward port 3074

alexjowen · Answer

the problem is that the two xboxs are running off the same ip, its wierd how it works but if you flush your dns cache and reset your ip both xboxs should work, same happened to me and my sis so I ran a little .bat file I created unfourtantly I have nbo means of uploading the app soz

codester · Answer

First of all you don't want to enable UPnP and Port forwarding. They will clash and you more likely will end up with more problems then you should. Unless you have two public IP addresses from your provider then you will not have both Xbox 360s say Open NAT because there are only one set of ports the 360 uses and only one of them can use it. I have tried 7 different routers and one nice Cisco router that cost a few hundred which worked wonders but anyways. 

The best thing for you to do is port forward one 360s and DMZ the other. They will both have a Moderate NAT but you will have to deal with it. And adding a static IP address to both 360s will help your router locate them easily because the DHCP feature will change the IP address of the 360s on you and you would have to do this all over again so just assign it a static NAT.

thenicedude · Answer

I had the same problem, I fiorwarded ports to one xbox, put the other in the DMZ but one would always come up nat moderate etc so I switched everything off and and enabled UPNP and now everthing works fine. Basically reply 15's correct (even though he's a bit angry with it). My router is a Belkin and works perfect now, the boys are upstairs playing Transformers 2.

Frank · Answer

Post 15 is correct, get a good router. I have two 360 consoles, both run COD 4 no problems at the same time. I have a DSL-2640b router, no special setup, no port forwarding, no DMZ, just defualt setup with dynamic IPs. No probs. Having said that my PS3 doesn't work without port forwading using the same router!

cujo · Answer

Post 15 should be correct.  A router assigns an IP address to anything plugged into it.  This means the last octet will be different.  If your router doesnt do this then go get a better router.  I havent had a problem playing off of two PCs playing the same game so I don;t see why the 360 should be any different.  Buy a linksys.  If you own a belkin you will have problems.  They are very cheap routers that block about everything.

kirbyboychoy · Answer

I am a network technician and I know how to solve this problem. First it wil depend on what brand of router you are using. I use A Linksys router becuase it is reliable and the tech support is the best. Since Linksys routers have Firewall to protect you from outsiders you need to set certain ports to listening mode. That means you need to open ports that Xbox Live Server requires. Other brands of Router that doesn't have firewall doesn't need this. The ports are 53, 80, 88, and 3074. Since you are trying to make two Xbox consoles use those ports and you are trying to connect to a server, what you needto do is to use Port Range Triggering. You can't use Port Range Forwarding since it will only set those ports into listening mode to the IP address you set it. So if you use Port Range Forwarding it will only be open/available to one console(the one using the IP address).YOU NEED TO USE PORT RANGE TRIGGERING. Disable Port Range Forwarding and DMZ. YOU NEED TO ENABLE UPnP as well if your Linksys router have this option (other model doesn't have this option but it is said to be enabled in default settings according to their tech support). TO SOLVE THE LAG problem set your MTU size to 1364. This settings will work even if you have one or multiple consoles running behind the router. Just remember that you need to make sure first that you have a good connection from your ISP (Internet Service Provider). Online gaming consumes a lot of bandwidth. So just couple things to do. Trigger the ports at the Port Range Triggering, set MTU to 1364 and make sure UPnP is enabled. Pleasegive me feed backs after you tried it.

thetompes · Answer

Yes port triggering does work.
the triggering range is 52-54 forward port 53
the triggering range is 79-81 forward port 80
the triggering range is 87-89 forward port 88
the triggering range is 3073-3075 forward port 3074
This worked for me on a linksys thanks for the help.

tegtech · Answer

Hi,

I've been fighting with two xboxes off and on for over a year. kirbyboychoy's suggestions in post 28 above are the closest I've come to having everything working perfectly, but it's still not quite there: One one xbox, the NAT status is still "moderate".

My setup:

Wireless router: Linksys WRT310N, with firmware v1.00.4-CA
- Single Port Forwarding, Port Range Forwarding and DMZ all disabled
- Port Range Triggering set as thetompes described in post 29 above.
- UPNP enabled, MTU size 1364.
- "Filter Internet NAT Redirection" checkbox is not checked

Xbox #1
- wireless, manually assigned IP (192.168.1.111) and DNS servers
- no problems

Xbox #2
- NOT wireless, manually assigned IP (192.168.1.105) and DNS servers
- running the xbox Live test results in a warning: NAT type as "Moderate"

According to Microsoft's site, "Moderate" NAT means: "Moderate: This means that you can talk to other players who have open or moderate NAT issues, but you cannot talk or play with users who have strict NAT issues."

So how do I go from "Moderate" to "Open" NAT on my second xbox?

Thanks.

Mavr1ck · Answer

Reading POSTS 28 TO 31 SOLVED MY ISSUE.

Thanks guys, thanks a lot....I know have two working xbox360 systems reading your advices.

Mavr1ck

ImAwesome · Answer

Alright so I have had this same problem for a very long time. I have 3 xbox 360's connected to the same internet connection. Generally because upnp was always enabled the first person who signed on had an open connection and the other two had strict connections, which for some games dropped the stricts out of every multiplayer game (happened all the time with modern warfare 2, which prompted my solution).

The soltion requires two routers. I will label the router connected directly to the modem as the master and the one connected to the master as the slave. I assigned my computers and laptops with their own static ip avoiding assigning the first available ip (for my router 192.168.2.2). I DMZed that specific ip address (thus creating an open connection). I then connected the slave router which automatically picked up the open ip address (192.168.2.2). I then connected the three xbox 360's (one by direct ethernet, two by wireless) to the slave router. All three received an open connection, and we were never dropped from a game again. I have taken a couple networking classes for my CS major and I really dont know exactly why this works, but I think its essentially sending all of the xbox data through the 192.168.2.2 ip address which is open and therefore every ip address created by the slave router is open by default (i have the router dynamically assign the ip addresses). Also to get around not having a password for the master router (because obviously there is no interface to input a password from the slave to connect to the master's network) I just enabled the MAC address of the slave router which told my master network that this device is ok doesn't need to enter a password. ANYWAY, I hope this helps everyone because this was a really annoying problem that I couldnt solve for a long time. As a side note we have not experienced any abnormal lag since doing this and actually we are frequently the host of the games we play in which never seemed to happen before. if any experts out there want to clarify why this works, please do, because I am interested.

Havic · Answer

Ok this is a long fight. I have a total of 4 xbox 360's in my house 1 for myself and one each for the kids
Here is the way that I get mine to work. I have my cable modem with a cat 5 running to a switch.
from the switch I have 2 360's plugged into it. Then another LAN cable from the switch to the wireless router
I then have 2 wireless 360's what I do is have port forwarding enabled for one but not the other. This gives me the NAT message but still allows all 4 online at the sametime. The other way I have done this is 
to run yet another cable from the first wireless router to another wireless router 
then have both wireless 360's hook to a different router this will not give the nat message any longer.

ditzler16 · Answer

Okay, So me and my brother both have our own 360', and our own computers. I have a mac and my xbox is hooked up with a ethernet cable to the computer, my brothers is done the same way but to a reg laptop instead. both computers are wireless, and are connected through the router in the other room. 

we can both be on xbox live at the same time playing differant people, and doing whatever. And we both can be sent a game invite from the same person and play in that game, with basically no problem just a little lag here and there. but if we try to send each other an invite and play it wont let us. we can only play if the host is not one of us. Any help? thanks

Mattxbox · Answer

Heres to anyone thats getting a little confused as to what to enter in the port range triggering page. Firstly make sure DMZ is disabled, Upnp is on and you are NOT forwarding any ports using single port forwarding. Then enter the following in the Port Range Triggering page

Application Name doesnt matter, call each one what you like (e.g Xbox1, Xbox2 etc etc)

Xbox1 Triggered Range (Start Port: 52) (End Port: 54) Forward Range (Always the same as Triggered Range, so 52 and 54 in this case) TICK THE ENABLED BOX

Xbox2 Triggered Range (Start Port: 79) (End Port: 81) (Forward Range 79 and 81) TICK ENABLED

Xbox3 Triggered Range (Start Port: 87) (End Port: 89) (Forward Range 87 and 89) TICK ENABLED

Xbox4 Triggered Range (Start Port: 3073) End Port: 3075) (Forward Range 3073 and 3075) TICK ENABLED

N.B Remember now to click Save Settings at the bottom, im sure many forget to do this, hence why they still experience problems!

This method above worked for me first time after trying a number of other solutions and I too found the information a bit vague at times with regards to what numbers to enter in the boxes etc so im hoping this info will help others in the my situation. I turned two xboxs with Open and Strict NAT into 2 with Open Nat.

You also need both xboxs to be set to automatically be assigned an IP address, ignore all the advice to have a manual IP, this doesnt seem to work and actually appears to make things worse. Also make sure you havent messed with any other router settings other than those above and that your MTU is set to 1500.

Good luck!

Tim · Answer

An earlier poster posted this:

"Yes port triggering does work. 
the triggering range is 52-54 forward port 53 
the triggering range is 79-81 forward port 80 
the triggering range is 87-89 forward port 88 
the triggering range is 3073-3075 forward port 3074 
This worked for me on a linksys thanks for the help."

On my screen, the foward port needs two seperate values. I understand to input the 52-54, but then the other two columns would be missing a number? 

Thanks.

Grandmaster Dog · Answer

ok the number gets put into port trigger range and into the listening port range.Next is the main thing which I learned the hard way and with spending alot of money.Your Isp must supply you with a modem not a router but a modem that has 1364 to 1500 MTU.My provider gave me a modem that was capped at 797 MTU this means I can not play with both open,only one console could be open.I went and bought my own modem and could adjust the MTU value in the modem and all is fine now.I can use 2 xbox's at sametime,2 wii's , 2 ps3's and 4 pc's all is fine,it is not the type of router you have it is whether or not your isp has given you a modem capable of the mtu load.Also with your router you must port trigger the rest that everyone has told you ignore they are false.You can manually create your own ip or have it automatic.For those of you who have no idea on how to do this go to www.portforward.com it will give you the ports and instructions for your router on what ports and where to go in your router but do not forward the ports,Trigger them.Your Nat will be open.I have tried everyones suggestions and bought all the different routers,but when I bought my own modem all was fixed and works great.I hope this helps anyone who has struggled through the many posts here.Grandmaster Dog

Tom · Answer

I recently had an issue connecting 2 xbox360's to my wireless network.  After buying a new netgear router, pure garbage in my opinion, it would randomly drop all wireless devices, I found a guy at work running a successful setup.  I returned the netgear for a linksys wrt160n ($75.99 WALMART), and have been able to play(2 xbos's) for hours without a single interuption or the intermittent drops I was getting with the netgear router.  I did have to contact tech support during the initial setup and port trigger a couple of ports, but have not any any issues to since.  Hope this helps.

Shadow 13th · Answer

I read all of the posts and tried almost every technique here to get both xbox open NAT. I was only able to get 1 open and the other moderate.

The solution for me was disabling port forwarding and port triggering and enabling UPNP. It didn't work at first, both xboxs were closed NAT but when I hit a button that rebooted my modem I got both XBOXs on open NAT.

YAY FOR NO MORE LAG!

Nayteez · Answer

ok guys here it is all out: You need to have a GOOD "Gateway" router. I tried getting 2 xbox's working on a t-mobile linksys router and couldn't get it to work, I later figured out that it wasn't a Gateway Router, but it was just a plain router (w/voip of course). So I got a Linksys WRT54G2 v1 and did this: I left the security settings on default: 

SPI Firewall: ON
Block Internet Requests:ON
Filter Multicast:OFF
Block NAT Redirection:OFF 

uPNP: ENABLED (this cancels the need for port forwarding or port triggering)
DMZ:DISABLED
You shouldn't need to Port Forward or Port Trigger ANYTHING for xbox, AS LONG AS you have a GOOD Gateway Router with latest firmware OR DD-WRT firmware!!! THAT'S KEY!!!

Make sure box xbox's are set to AUTOMATICALLY receive IP Address and DNS settings. If you assign a manual STATIC IP to xboxes, then uPNP doesn't open ports for them, therefore making uPNP useless. 

If you have Cable Internet, your MTU can be 1500, but you can play with it if you want. 1364 is the MINIMUM requirement for Xbox Live. So I would say try 1500, if you notice lag, bring it down to 1450 and try again if no difference bring it down to 1425 or 1400. 

If this does not work for you, then get a new router!!! Invest in a wrt54g2 or the N version of that style if u want.

If you have 2 routers in your equation, MAKE SURE YOU DO THE FOLLOWING:
the router connected to modem should be GATEWAY ROUTER. That Gateway router should have all the settings I mentioned above. Out of any port of that router, should connect to the 2nd router's WAN port. The 2nd Router should be in BRIDGE mode. So the trick is, on the second router, shut off ALL firewall settings. Set router to automatically receive IP (AKA DHCP). Make SURE that on this 2nd router, you DISABLE uPNP, dmz, port forwarding, port triggering and QoS. BTW, when you set router into bridge mode, it should automatically disable DHCP Server (meaning that it will disable the ability to ASSIGN ip's automatically, if it doesn't disable, then make sure you disable it)

Hope This helps everyone out!!!! And if you can't get it to work, GET A BETTER ROUTER!!!

strwrsjosh · Answer

All I did was turn on UPnP and bridged connections on a pc for one xbox and the other is hooked up normal. has been working for me. simple fix.

waqy 779 · Answer

nothing happens if youre both connected to the same internet chck his wiring it mighht be becuaeof that or turn your router of for 30 sec and then turn it back and connect with the xbox live again

MiXA · Answer

I have 3 Xbox's running on the one network, ranging from one  to two pc's as well. 
However; 1. This is also the devices plugged directly into the modem, 
2. Plugged into a wireless N1 vision router. 
3. A cisco linksys router/enginvoip, not being used, the router acting only as a switch. 
All using a netgear wireless modem. 
Wired ASL2.
6mb down, 700kb up. 10ms ping.(I don't believe that though)

Also using a laptop to share a wireless dsl connection with 2 xbox's using the 3 port cisco router as a switch(linksys).



Anyway, I've found a few different ways ranging. And apologies if it is repeated above. 

The one that has seemed to have worked the best as far. 

Going into the router and changing the settings.
WARNING: Save a backup of your router/modems current settings before changing anything. Also resetting the modem can help too.(Button on the side, resets all passwords and so) 

You can find out your router/modem's i.p address by looking at it's instructions(If all else fails).

or by going to the start menu going to "Run" or "run program" and typing "Command" or "cmd" ( it may also be in accessories). 
Once in the dos promt, type "ipconfig" or alternatively "ipconfig -all" and your ethernet's gateway will be the gateway you type into your address bar to access your router. 

Once within your router; 
Setting up each Xbox or computer using "MAC Address filtering"  (under the FIREWALL menu in your router) not wireless mac address filtering. 
To do this, you first find either your xbox's MAC address, in the "network configeration" of the xbox360's settings menu.  
Or alternatively, in your router; go to DHCP client list or Attached devices. 

After having the address, you reservine that address or any others in "MAC address filtering" Allowing it access to the router.

If your router or Modem has pNp I believe it may have to be off, 
however using "QOS filtering" or "VIRTUAL SERVERS", you input these PORTS for 
"PORT FORWARDING"; 
TCP 80-80,
UDP 88-88,
TCP/UDP 3074-3074,
TCP/UDP 53-53,
TCP 80. 

Also in your modem's settings you can go to "CONTENT FILTERING", within "FIREWALL RULES", and you can allow incoming traffic to a specific I.P Address" i.e your  xbox, or router, (stopping the modem & router doubling up in my opinion, please correct me if I'm wrong) allowing all trafic through to the xbox without blocking any.

I have tried placing the router or xbox specifically outside the DMZ although there was not the most of a difference in gameplay except for lesser if any. 


Regarding connecting one or two xbox's to a computer or laptop using a wireless connection or USB modem and connecting the xbox's to share/use that connection, are as follows. 

Going to your network connections window within Windows
will show you all of your connections that you have, either all together or just the ones connected. 

Right click on the internet connection that you want to share within the "Network settings" tab. 
Go to properties. 
Click the sharing tab, and then click the "Share this internet connection with other users" Do not click the other checkbox's unless neccisary. 


Windows will then have a drop-down menu showing your other conections, i.e your "LAN" (ethernet) connection. Choosing your "LAN" connection, will then change your LAN's "ip address" to 192.168.0.1 setting it as the gateway for any other computer or xbox plugged into the computer.

Plug the xbox into the computer, 
make sure the internet connection is active, 
turn on the xbox's and attempt to connect.

If there is an error on the xbox, test connection in the "Network Settings" tab in the Xbox's "Settings" tab. If there is an error, if it is the 
a)Xbox360 to Network connection, it may be because the ethernet cable is not connected properly, if it is 
b) connecting to the inernet, then you may need to change your Local area network's ip address to 192.168.0.1 and also it's gateway address to 192.168.0.1 

If you are attemtpting to connect two or more devices(Xbox's, computer's) like this, then you should do the same as above, 
however plug the ethernet cable from the computer to the hub (switch, router) and then connect the xbox's or other devices into the hub. 
If there are issues, you will have to go into the router's settings and setting the router to have a "static" ip address of 192.168.0.2 , and it's Gateway to be 192.168.0.1 if there is option to do so. 

Aploogies if this is not helpful or just blabber, as I have done all of this myself through many hours of trial and error and friends wanting to play or being disconnected or just the only one that cant connect. 

I have found that if you get disconnected repeatedly when another xbox comes onto the hub/modem/router.
By plugging one xbox into the modem directly, and any other's into the router can fix this, 
or by having everything plugged into the one device,
or also having each two xbox's on each hub/switch. 

Please ask or correct me if you don't understand parts of this. 

See you in the gaming world. 

Brok3n Shadow

MiXA · Answer

In reference to the above two, Using the Belkin Wirelss N1 vision router I found two nights ago, using 3 xbox's in one room, and one through a 30m cable through to another room, Having the 4 set up, and laptop wirelessly to change the settings 
I found that changing the settings in the "WAN>Connection Type" settings from Dynamic, to a setting saying Telstra Bigpond\OptusNET cable, having it's description saying;"Use this option for Bigpond Cable and OptusNet Cable connections only." Worked great, even though it is a ADSL2 connection and not CABLE"
The next day connecting however with the one xbox, wouldn't connect to Xbox Live, so putting the settings back to PPPOE instead of DYNAMIC, my settings were already in and that worked great.
Later after trying to connect another computer wirelessly with a wireless netgear usb, having trouble connecting to the N1, I changed it back to the Telstra/Optus setting, All has been working since, except the wireless Netgear usb, which I resorted to the 30 m cable for the moment, and can use my modem I keep out there instead.
Anyway, try that setting first(It may have your providers name rather than Telstra or Optus Cable), then port forwarding or MAC address filtering, or both thereafter.

DJ · Answer

i had the same problem and I bought the D-Link DGL-4500 gamer lounge its a bit pricy but ever since ive gotten it I have had no problems.  I run 3 xboxs on the same router with all my friends on call of duty and when we first started it up all 3 xboxs had open NAT types we didnt have to put any special settings or anything else in just plug and play :)

Mekishiko · Answer

15 year IT dork here, after reading these tips I was able to make it work with my Setup (Not using any one of the methods but instead a combination of a few, with a few tweaks) nd I got 2x XBOX 360 on the same connection both with open NAT.

here is my Hardware: Linksys WRT54G-TM with DD-WRT (Also works with Tomato, just not with the stock Linksys Firmware)

Configure it normal, do not set up any Triggering, forwarding or any DMZ stuff. Just set it so DHCP is ON for the LAN test it with a PC and make sure you can get online.

Now the ONLY SETTING THAT NEEDS TO BE TURNED ON FOR THIS TO WORK IS "UPNP" this will manage the data as your XBOX Systems both play on-line.

it really is that simple, I had some hiccups, and others have as well that I have talked to. Here is where people get caught up, read these tips to make sure it works for you:

1) Because UPNP requires DHCP addresses, don't statically assign your XBOXES addresses, if you MUST keep the IPs the same on your XBOXes for some reason then use DHCP RESERVATIONS (or Static DHCP in Tomato)

2) Here is the biggie: If you are trying to bypass the router that is built into your Modem that doesn't support UPNP (Like a 2Wire Internet Gateway Device) you need to set it in BRIDGE MODE in order for the routers functions to be disabled so that way NAT problems don't add hiccups in your XBOX gaming. IF YOU HAVE A NEWER 2WIRE DEVICE putting it in gateway mode may have been disabled in their last firmware update (or moved somewhere else that I can not find) but don't worry, a simple solution is to set your NEW Routers WAN IP STATIC to 10.0.0.2 and Subnet 255.255.0.0 Gateway 10.0.0.1 (Set the DNS to the ones on your Modem's WAN DNS addresses) then login to your Modem, set the LAN address to 10.0.0.1 and then go to the firewall screen and set 10.0.0.2 as the DMZ HOST. This will enable all the traffic to pass through the MODEM and into the NEW ROUTER, bypassing the crappy 2Wire router functionality which doesn't support XBOX LIVE.

I had this setup working, and my 2WIRE AUTOMATICALLY DID A FIRMWARE UPDATE a few weeks ago, where all of the settings stayed the same after the install, EXCEPT it had disabled my DMZ Host of 10.0.0.2 which gave me NAT issues on XBOX LIVE and Disconnects every 15 minutes.
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For those of you looking for a router that WILL WORK

Here is a Very Inexpensive Router that will work perfectly with multiple XBOX consoles, with no crazy configurations and give you "OPEN" Nat type under Call of Duty or most any other game on XBOX LIVE

RT-N13U by ASUS

I got one from Mwave for 39$ with a 20$ Rebate=19.99$

Which is nuts for an "N" router with USB Printer/HDD sharing

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ACDN · Answer

Port Triggering worked for me!  Using DD-WRT on an Asus RT-N16

I cant play online with 2 xbox 360 why?

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